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Interesting quote... [Mar. 12th, 2004|09:54 am]
Quoted under fair use: from http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4508782/

Meanwhile, hundreds of gays and lesbians have wed in San Francisco since the court was asked Feb. 25 and Feb. 27 to intervene. Lockyer and the Alliance Defense Fund, a conservative group that says a marriage should be between a man and woman, said the court’s action was urgently needed because thousands of newly married gays might otherwise think they enjoy the same rights granted other married couples — such as the right to receive the other spouse’s property in the absence of a will.
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Translation: the anti-marriage group's statement was that it's a terrible thing, when people who don't have rights think that they do... and it must be stopped!

It's good to have them admit that they are opposed to gay people having the same rights as straights.

Another talking point to consider:

Not everyone who opposes gay marriage does so out of hatred.

However, the anti-marriage side *IS* unalterably linked to hatred and hateful people.

The pro-marriage side simply wants people to enjoy the rights and responsibilities of marriage.

BTW: There are people who claim to speak for Jesus on both sides. Jesus said *specifically* of those who speak in his name, "by their fruits shall you know them".

On one side, there's hate. On the other, there isn't.

One side is afraid of people even *thinking* they have rights. The other is demanding the same rights everyone else gets.

I wonder which side would feel like averting their eyes, if Jesus came down to have a little chat?

Further little notes:

"Rights and responsibilities of marriage" is a good phrase to use in this debate.

Yes, we *are* the pro-marriage side, even if that *does* piss off the anti-marriage side.

When people start talking about how marriage has always been between a man and a woman, try out something like this:

"For all of human history, people who've loved each other have sought to join together, and for over a thousand years, even the Christians believed this. But then the hatred started. That didn't stop the marriages between gay folks... it just made them rarer, and rarer, because they had to be afraid."

And, a good, clear summary of the battleground:

"This is about the rights of two people who love each other, and want to be lifelong partners, to obtain legal recognition of their partnership."

"Legal recognition" is important... there's nothing about religion here, and no question about whether someone has to insist that their marriage is valid or not. If every anti-marriage person wants to insist that only man-woman marriages are 'real', they can. They can also say all us non-believers are going to hell, and frequently do.

From: kightp
2004-03-12 06:37 pm (UTC)
Remind me when you get down here to show you the letters to the editor in yesterday's paper - not about the gay marriage issue, but about the new Wiccan store that opened downtown. They remind me, in a particularly creepy way, that some people believe what they wish to believe despite all evidence to the contrary.
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From: griffen
2004-03-12 08:04 pm (UTC)
Thank you, John.

I was infuriated earlier today. I'm calmer now but if I'm not careful I can easily see a slippery slope to depression on the way. *sighs*
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